RP 1.10 #0032

[Renegade]

..and you're denying you're trying to block out negative commentary?

yes.

Then you're either crazy or you think the community is retarded.

so they're not allowed to just randomly chit-chat either.

they can chit-chat with each other, but not with me.

A user of the patch asked the creator of the patch something about the patch!

I post a Warning message.

That's great support right there.

I asked: who here in your opinion elite modders?
Concrete names please and why think so.

Beowulf, Blade, bobing, Cannis, Daedalus, DeeZeL, DJBREIT, gamemate, Hunt7s, IcySon55, Marshall, MooMan65...enough, or do I have to proceed through the other half of the userlist? And that was just skimmed over...

And no, I will not explain this selection, 'cause if you really need an explanation why I consider people like Blade or MooMan elite modders, you are so far away from this community, it explains why you don't care for it.

And how this related with King Ren ?
I am current Rock Patch coder - PD is old coder, but who here King Ren?
Possible a honestly king, isn't it?

You mean besides the fact that this is all happening on my server, and I will be the one taking the legal flak?
Idiot.

I will never rename the patch.

Dude. I know you're from Russia, which isn't particularly famous for law enforcement, so I'll explain this in very easy terms:
pd created RockPatch.
Therefore, he has a copyright on the name "RockPatch" for a hack of the YR executable and similar software.
As such, resisting his demand to rename you're patch, you are in violation of copyright law.
That, in turn, means I am currently hosting copyright-infringing material on my server.
Again, this may not be so in Russia, but in Germany, that's pretty much illegal.
One notice of this to my host might very well lead to the instant termination of my hosting contract, taking all of RenProj, ModEnc, STX and RP and its files with it.
So my choice is simple: Remove infringing material, or watch everything to be forcefully removed.

So, in simple, easy terms: I will not lose all my content, all my accounts, all my files, all my organization, and a wonderful hosting deal because you think Russian mob law extends to the world.

It is your decision how you handle the situation. But Renegade Projects will not go down because of your stubbornness.

Why? For example I hate you
Because you think that if you pay for the server, you can do anything here.

Not everything. Everything to protect me.

Compare you with Banshee for example.

You mean the Banshee that stopped reporting on RockPatch because he was afraid EA wouldn't let him go to the community summit if he touched this sensitive subject?
You prefer him to me?

you should also suspend a bug tracker, because people will think, what nobody check the bugs.

I can set the project to disabled, if you wish that.

[Gangster]

2 Renegade

Please, do NOT offend Russia and its population. Russian people are different. There are lawfull people there, there are complete bastards just like in any! country.

[Banshee]

I will never rename the patch.

Dude. I know you're from Russia, which isn't particularly famous for law enforcement, so I'll explain this in very easy terms:
pd created RockPatch.
Therefore, he has a copyright on the name "RockPatch" for a hack of the YR executable and similar software.
As such, resisting his demand to rename you're patch, you are in violation of copyright law.
That, in turn, means I am currently hosting copyright-infringing material on my server.
Again, this may not be so in Russia, but in Germany, that's pretty much illegal.
One notice of this to my host might very well lead to the instant termination of my hosting contract, taking all of RenProj, ModEnc, STX and RP and its files with it.
So my choice is simple: Remove infringing material, or watch everything to be forcefully removed.

So, in simple, easy terms: I will not lose all my content, all my accounts, all my files, all my organization, and a wonderful hosting deal because you think Russian mob law extends to the world.

It is your decision how you handle the situation. But Renegade Projects will not go down because of your stubbornness.

Compare you with Banshee for example.

You mean the Banshee that stopped reporting on RockPatch because he was afraid EA wouldn't let him go to the community summit if he touched this sensitive subject?
You prefer him to me?

Looking the two quote aboves, we are the same. I was protecting my data, because I believed my site was being watched by EA and/or any kind of authority like the US consulate. I was trying to get a visa, so depending on what they asked me in the interview, they could check my site and news about what they (not me) consider illegal activities could affect my future access to the US territory. So, I was more afraid of them than EA itself. Later, I've noticed that Rock Patch news are not any kind problem, even for EA or whatever kind of authority as long as they are properly worded.

Now, looking at the post above, there is a clear difference between us. I do respect him, even if I disagree with the way he works on this patch. You flame him constantly .

[DCoder]

To reiterate the part of Renegade's post that VK apparently missed:

At this point it boils down to one of the following choices:

• Negotiate with pd so that he lets you keep the name
• Rename RockPatch and stay here
• Refuse to rename RockPatch - we will be forced to revoke your hosting and everything that goes with it, and revert it to pre-VK state - you may seek hosting elsewhere, but as long as you keep labelling your patch as RockPatch, hosting you will mean hosting copyrighted material without permission, which no self-respecting hoster will do

No other choices exist.

Since some people can't read.

Administrative Notice:

Closed pending a resolution from pd and vk.
Feel free to re-open the thread then, if you want further discussion.
Until then, any other threads spawned by guests or other people wanting to comment on how stupid pd/vk/Ren/me/whoever else is, will be removed on sight.

(@Gangster: I'm sure there are honest people there, however, thanks to the actions of Russian spammers and hackers (and Putin), the civilised world considers your country to be the asshat end of the gene pool.)

[VK]

You mean the Banshee that stopped reporting on RockPatch because he was afraid EA wouldn't let him go to the community summit if he touched this sensitive subject?
You prefer him to me?

I mean, what Banshee always moderate forum from neutral position, while you moderate it as you want.

I can set the project to disabled, if you wish that.

Yes, do it please.

Dude. I know you're from Russia, which isn't particularly famous for law enforcement, so I'll explain this in very easy terms:
pd created RockPatch.
Therefore, he has a copyright on the name "RockPatch" for a hack of the YR executable and similar software.
As such, resisting his demand to rename you're patch, you are in violation of copyright law.
That, in turn, means I am currently hosting copyright-infringing material on my server.
Again, this may not be so in Russia, but in Germany, that's pretty much illegal.
One notice of this to my host might very well lead to the instant termination of my hosting contract, taking all of RenProj, ModEnc, STX and RP and its files with it.
So my choice is simple: Remove infringing material, or watch everything to be forcefully removed.

So, in simple, easy terms: I will not lose all my content, all my accounts, all my files, all my organization, and a wonderful hosting deal because you think Russian mob law extends to the world.

It is your decision how you handle the situation. But Renegade Projects will not go down because of your stubbornness.

yes, I know this law, however this law exist in all countries.
and I respect the creators (of course, while I am not doing a KeyGen or CRaCK )
"Never" have another meaning here.

Please, do NOT offend Russia and its population. Russian people are different. There are lawfull people there, there are complete bastards just like in any! country.

Yes, this is the main, a nazi DCoder.

I wait a answer from PD now.

[Renegade]

[I didn't plan to reply, since D closed the thread, but I'm doing it because VK replied directly to me.]

Looking the two quote aboves, we are the same. I was protecting my data, because I believed my site was being watched by EA and/or any kind of authority like the US consulate. I was trying to get a visa, so depending on what they asked me in the interview, they could check my site and news about what they (not me) consider illegal activities could affect my future access to the US territory. So, I was more afraid of them than EA itself. Later, I've noticed that Rock Patch news are not any kind problem, even for EA or whatever kind of authority as long as they are properly worded.

There's a big difference between not posting news on third party projects because you might not be allowed to attend a fun event, and facing termination of hosting because the infringing material is right on your server.

Had you kept posting news on RP, the worst thing that could've happened would be that you'd have not been granted a visa. It would have been your decision, leading to you not being allowed to do something you usually don't do anyway. It was your choice, and you opted for personal entertainment (and asskissing) over community loyalty.
I do not have that option. The material is not somewhere else, and it's not a question of whether I mention it, but it's right here on the server, and if shit happens, I'll actually lose stuff. I'll not be not allowed to more than usual, I'll lose the usual. There's a big fucking difference between defending your chance to do something special, and protecting what you already have.
And that's not taking into account the mass effect - I emphasized the "you" for a reason. Had you not been granted a visa, the only one "losing" something would have been you. If my hosting contract gets terminated, ModEnc is gone, STX is gone, and with it RP, DCoder's stuff, Whitey's stuff, and some more, not community-related stuff that's on the server (my brother's homepage, for example).

So, really, Bansh...I don't think you're a bad guy. Really. I kinda like you, and I respect you for what you're doing for the community. I think you're being a little too touchy with EA, but that's your choice. But please don't claim we're alike in this. We aren't. I'm not afraid of EA and its henchmen, as DeeZire and you were, but of pd's rights on the name "RockPatch" and his code.
I am actually trying to keep this project going rather than constantly ignoring its existence out of legal fear. It's just that the project can't continue if this shit escalates the way VK seems to plan.

Now, looking at the post above, there is a clear difference between us. I do respect him, even if I disagree with the way he works on this patch. You flame him constantly .

That's just plain untrue. I disagree, and voice my disagreement, with his methods and organization of RockPatch, and I'm fucking annoyed by his stubbornness. That is one project, and one character trait of him I might be "flaming". In any issue not regarding RockPatch, and actually in many that do regard RockPatch, I've been entirely normal to him.
Best example is the bugtracker issue - he said something should be done with it, I offered a solution, he agreed with it, now it's done. Simple administrative procedure. No problem.
I don't know if you generally don't view life like that, or if you consciously decide to not seperate issues, but for me, personally, a different issue is a different issue. Period. VK's person and the way I see it is independent from his job as a coder of RockPatch, and the way he codes and manages RockPatch is independent from our relations as hoster and hostee. It's just that, due to the nature of the situation, we recently almost exclusively talked about him and RockPatch, not him as a hostee.

In addition, it's not like he's behaving much differently. And I'm at least targeted in my criticism - he just screams at each and everyone of us.

I mean, what Banshee always moderate forum from neutral position, while you moderate it as you want.

Heh. How often do I actually moderate? With the way you behave here, you'd have been banned at PPM months ago.

Banshee moderates by forbidding everything. You can't even swear without the software taking your words and twisting them around.

Not to mention that, just because I moderate "as I want", that doesn't automatically mean I'm biased. If I was biased, and actually out to get you, don't you think I'd have banned you months ago?

I can set the project to disabled, if you wish that.

Yes, do it please.

Done. At least in my browser, no RockPatch related stuff appears in View Issues, and RP is out of the list.

yes, I know this law, however this law exist in all countries.
and I respect the creators (of course, while I am not doing a KeyGen or CRaCK )
"Never" have another meaning here.

Then would you please enlighten me what "never" means in this context, other than "1 : not ever : at no time 2 : not in any degree : not under any condition"?

Yes, this is the main, a nazi DCoder.

Please refrain from such accusations unless you can prove them.
DCoder apparently supports the idea that an independent state has the right to make decisions without previous approval by the Russian government. There's nothing racist in that.
You may not like the idea that the USSR is over, and Russia has lost its might, but that's how it is, and it's no excuse to insult people.
If you feel DCoder is wrong, nothing prevents you from putting a pro-Russia banner in your sig.

I wait a answer from PD now.

You do that.