15.11.2006, 11:15:56
@Latest Guest: Exactly.
Had you shut up, he'd have been forced to actually think about the problem himself. I assume you agree with me that the problem wasn't actually hard to recognize and solve. But instead of letting him make the experience of diagnosing and solving the problem himself, all you did was teaching him that even the most trivial problems don't need an independent thought, as there'll always be some other idiot who'll think for him.
btw, your analogy is flawed: What I'd have done would have been denying him an apple, but telling him there's an apple tree in plain sight, thus ensuring that
a) he learns to hunt for food on his own, instead of depending on others, and
b) he doesn't have just one apple now, but many, and in the future, too.
But nooo, apple dealer tmapm had to jump in and give away an apple, making sure our starving n00b will return to ask for more apples...
Oh, and one more thing: It wasn't a threat, it was an order, from the Administrator and Owner of this forum. If I came to your house and started doing shit you don't like, would you appreciate that? I think not.
@Bobing: You didn't break the rules because your answers were most inaccurate to say the least (more like plain wrong). Had you actually given a correct answer, you'd have broken the rules just as tmapm did. But don't think I don't realize you didn't intend to not break the rules. You just accidently didn't.
And the n00bism didn't lie in the question itself, but in the fact that
a) the user obviously never really looked at his screen, since the tiles are very obviously drawn above the cliffs, clearly indicating they are on a higher level, and
b) obviously never thought about the problem and its causes - otherwise he'd have realized the last action he did before was auto-adjusting the height of tiles, so the problem could be related to height; even if he then still didn't realize the true nature of his problem, he could/should at least have tried out the various height-related tools on the hill to see if he could generate any desirable effect, but instead
c) the user immediately jumped to the conclusion it must be "tiling errors" on the program's part, rather than taking into account it might be a modeling error on the user's part, and came here asking what to do to fix it. Not even what the problem was, just what to do to make the effect go away.
And as if that wasn't enough, he didn't even phrase the question well and fucked up the image code.
tmapm Wrote:Because even if you have given up on "n00bs", I haven't. Your threat was empty because I wasn't self focused. I wasn't going to go along with the plan so I could "look good" for all of you. How selfish that would have been! I was concerned about helping "Guest". If you ask someone for an apple, you don't want them to give you a peach.What exactly do you think the n00b has gained from your answer, other than one less thing to think about?
Had you shut up, he'd have been forced to actually think about the problem himself. I assume you agree with me that the problem wasn't actually hard to recognize and solve. But instead of letting him make the experience of diagnosing and solving the problem himself, all you did was teaching him that even the most trivial problems don't need an independent thought, as there'll always be some other idiot who'll think for him.
btw, your analogy is flawed: What I'd have done would have been denying him an apple, but telling him there's an apple tree in plain sight, thus ensuring that
a) he learns to hunt for food on his own, instead of depending on others, and
b) he doesn't have just one apple now, but many, and in the future, too.
But nooo, apple dealer tmapm had to jump in and give away an apple, making sure our starving n00b will return to ask for more apples...
Oh, and one more thing: It wasn't a threat, it was an order, from the Administrator and Owner of this forum. If I came to your house and started doing shit you don't like, would you appreciate that? I think not.
@Bobing: You didn't break the rules because your answers were most inaccurate to say the least (more like plain wrong). Had you actually given a correct answer, you'd have broken the rules just as tmapm did. But don't think I don't realize you didn't intend to not break the rules. You just accidently didn't.
And the n00bism didn't lie in the question itself, but in the fact that
a) the user obviously never really looked at his screen, since the tiles are very obviously drawn above the cliffs, clearly indicating they are on a higher level, and
b) obviously never thought about the problem and its causes - otherwise he'd have realized the last action he did before was auto-adjusting the height of tiles, so the problem could be related to height; even if he then still didn't realize the true nature of his problem, he could/should at least have tried out the various height-related tools on the hill to see if he could generate any desirable effect, but instead
c) the user immediately jumped to the conclusion it must be "tiling errors" on the program's part, rather than taking into account it might be a modeling error on the user's part, and came here asking what to do to fix it. Not even what the problem was, just what to do to make the effect go away.
And as if that wasn't enough, he didn't even phrase the question well and fucked up the image code.
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