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So, the question popped up
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(30.12.2011, 02:27:41)Graion Dilach Wrote: I am very happy to see these.... I miss a day (probably it'll get extended a whole week due to uni stuff -_-) and I find this post of denying everything. Niiice.
Yes. There were no space aliens. It was all just a weather balloon.
Seriously, what am I "denying" here?

(30.12.2011, 02:27:41)Graion Dilach Wrote: And meanwhile who asked me, I told that the reason behind the extended break is because the binary repo is unfinished. Because I was asked by the community. (YR Modder PMed me on the other day, Mevitar asked me on MO IRC, EricAnimeFreak asked me on MSN, random guys over MO shoutbox...)
Would you stop trying to frame this as me being mad? If all the interested people share their interest in secret with you, it's really not my fault that all I see is a sea of disinterest, is it?

(30.12.2011, 02:27:41)Graion Dilach Wrote: Why do you expect anything from the community when you left the community in doubt?
I left? That's good to know! I thought I was right fucking here, and had been here longer than most of you.

(30.12.2011, 02:27:41)Graion Dilach Wrote: You killed off a feature request because it was on the wrong tracker, while I'm pretty sure, it was posted intentionally with the wrong setting, to have it posted... where the hell should the guy known that Mantis went out?
That is just utter bullshit. I didn't "kill it off", I specifically requested him to repost it on the new tracker and gave him the URL to there.
The fact that you still identify it as a feature request despite the fact that it was a bug report shows just how wrongly it was filed.
Lastly, he could've known because it was utterly impossible to post on the Ares tracker (why do you think he posted in the wrong one?) and all other issues linked off-site.
I know this community is high on idealism, but every once in a while, you might want to look at things from an objective perspective.

(30.12.2011, 02:27:41)Graion Dilach Wrote: I asked you last week to post up a life sign. You rejected with your reason that there's no one who would you post... then tell me, why we had to abandon the working SVN system at the first place? Because then there was no one who would benefitted from that and I am pretty sure, if this move wouldn't happen/gets finished in time, stuff could roll again.
Independent from the almost surreal segue there, feel free to ask D about the advantages of git, who has been advocating it for months, if not years - with me traditionally being the one who said there was no need to switch, SVN was working fine. Was it not you who remarked, on the very first day, how much better the new web interface was compared to the old one?
We switched to git because it was just plain better for development. Period.
The SVN repo is still up, so don't hesitate to merge ten branches in either repo, do a few dozen commits, and form your own conclusion.
I, for one, am very happy with what I've seen in the past two months.

(30.12.2011, 02:27:41)Graion Dilach Wrote: Community just doesn't care, fine. But the community is made up of a hundred younglings, knowing nothing, and only some oldbies, who already ran projects before Ares have started and half of them sticks to NPatch because NPatch-only logics are too deep within their INIs that they can't move now.

I know this makes you mad and the above reduces the community value to this 20%, but instead of considering the whole community as careless jerks, you should actually care about the guys who support you right now... because they might lose interest.
Did I not tell, for months and in the grandparent reply, anyone who wanted that they're free to contribute and proceed while the three of us were on break?
Did you, personally not do exactly that by coding in a new branch and providing a custom DLL to MO?

Don't try to blame this on me.

You are the living, breathing proof that Ares can be developed just fine while we're on break. If nothing happened, development-wise, then that's because the community couldn't be arsed to do anything, not because evil, evil Renegade prevented anyone from it.

If the community was so amazingly interested, you could've gotten yourself a team of twenty coders and implemented all the missing NPatch features over the last four months.
Why didn't you?
Wait, don't tell me...you couldn't find anyone interested in actually working for Ares? How novel and unexpected...

(30.12.2011, 02:27:41)Graion Dilach Wrote: I am getting close to it. Yesterday I was thinking and I realized... while I see interest in what I'm doing, the actual limbo state is what implies me to move over.
Again, all I can do is ask: Were you not the one having the single biggest DLL release in the past four months?
As far as the invisible, hypothetical community is concerned, were you not the singular Ares developer and releaser in the past four months?

Now let's kick perspective in the balls and frame this a little differently: While we were there, as far as I can tell from your comments, you enjoyed working on Ares.
While we were gone, you worked your ass off to write AttachEffect and MO's custom DLL for the community, and all it did was leave you frustrated and feeling unfulfilled, something at least D and I can very much understand.

Have you considered that, just maybe, you're simply having fun developing Ares with the rest of us? That the fun lies not in giving the community what it wants, but in mastering the challenge of the RTS engine from hell as a team?
Have you considered that, maybe, we're right about the community, and that that is exactly the reason why the fun was gone for you the second you were left alone with them?

Before you "leave the community in doubt", to borrow your words, I'd be very happy if you stuck around for another development cycle, and saw if maybe the pure development with us gave you joy. It'd be a pity if you gave up just because the community doesn't appreciate you. Because unlike them, we do.

(30.12.2011, 02:27:41)Graion Dilach Wrote: You have the mods with the biggest fanbases (MO, D-Day).
Yeah, and what does it help us? Jack shit. The only ones testing every once in a while are the mods' creators, and even getting to that point took countless news posts begging for testers.
If there's anything I learned from this, then it's that the smaller mods are much more helpful for development - the big mods already have their laurels to rest on, their communities to please, their destinies to follow. The new and small mods are open for everything and willing to experiment.
Don't be blinded by the size of mods.

(30.12.2011, 02:27:41)Graion Dilach Wrote: If you seize Ares with this, guess how those would affect the reputation of RenProj as a whole. Unlike CnC-Source or DeeZire, RenProj still has(had?) a reason to follow... it's your decision if you want to kill it but then, you have to be aware, that move can kill your entire page.
Clearly you haven't listened over the past four months...which explains the sheer number of your misconceptions. If zoom out a little and look at the grand scheme of everything we changed over the break, you will notice that RenProj is pretty much entirely out of the equation now.

It's something people never got: Ares is not a RenProj project. Never was, never will be.

(30.12.2011, 02:27:41)Graion Dilach Wrote: No one cared... because the ones who cared have asked at other places and not directly you.
So how is the impression that no one cares my fault?
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So, the question popped up - by Deformat - 30.12.2011, 00:26:38
RE: So, the question popped up - by Renegade - 30.12.2011, 00:45:03
RE: So, the question popped up - by MRMIdAS - 31.12.2011, 12:57:38
RE: So, the question popped up - by Renegade - 01.01.2012, 19:29:35
RE: So, the question popped up - by eva-251 - 02.01.2012, 04:14:03
RE: So, the question popped up - by Graion Dilach - 30.12.2011, 02:27:41
RE: So, the question popped up - by Renegade - 30.12.2011, 13:11:39
RE: So, the question popped up - by AlexB - 30.12.2011, 03:46:36
RE: So, the question popped up - by Graion Dilach - 30.12.2011, 15:52:06
RE: So, the question popped up - by DCoder - 31.12.2011, 16:53:01
RE: So, the question popped up - by Modder666 - 31.12.2011, 19:56:08
RE: So, the question popped up - by DCoder - 31.12.2011, 20:08:59
RE: So, the question popped up - by eva-251 - 31.12.2011, 22:49:18
RE: So, the question popped up - by DCoder - 01.01.2012, 19:39:16
RE: So, the question popped up - by pd - 02.01.2012, 00:53:07
RE: So, the question popped up - by Renegade - 02.01.2012, 09:06:42
RE: So, the question popped up - by Orac - 02.01.2012, 03:52:58
RE: So, the question popped up - by Modder666 - 02.01.2012, 07:53:02
RE: So, the question popped up - by Beowulf - 02.01.2012, 09:02:23
RE: So, the question popped up - by Modder666 - 02.01.2012, 09:17:55
RE: So, the question popped up - by Deformat - 03.01.2012, 10:34:49
RE: So, the question popped up - by Renegade - 03.01.2012, 13:58:30
RE: So, the question popped up - by DCoder - 03.01.2012, 12:18:33
RE: So, the question popped up - by Mig eater - 04.01.2012, 02:37:24
RE: So, the question popped up - by Deformat - 04.01.2012, 10:45:40
RE: So, the question popped up - by Renegade - 04.01.2012, 15:09:18
RE: So, the question popped up - by Guest - 06.01.2012, 00:26:17
RE: So, the question popped up - by Renegade - 06.01.2012, 03:57:53
RE: So, the question popped up - by MRMIdAS - 07.01.2012, 05:19:39
RE: So, the question popped up - by Renegade - 07.01.2012, 15:26:32
RE: So, the question popped up - by Steel Mirage - 07.01.2012, 12:42:13
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