WHAT the hell is going on? #2

[Renegade]

1. Feature Freeze - is that not what he is doing now?

Nope. In no way. Simple example from this revision: NodAdvancedPower -> SovietAdvancedPower.

2.Use a simple, easy, widely accepted numbering scheme - not sure if you mean inside the .ini (example the aitargeting) or RP releases.

The RP releases, obviously.

3.Make all versions successors of the previous one - revision #33 is the successor of CE and the predsuccessor of CE#36.

Yes. But CE as a whole is outta the loop. And if you don't believe it, just look at VK's constant reminders that "CE is not 1.09".

4.Make available an internal beta - Why do you guys feel its so important to have closed testing I see no advantage other than someone will have a go at it before everybody else. Your going to go through the exact bugs that we get now only with fewer people to track them down.

Yes. And that is exactly the point. If we had found and fixed all these bugs before the release(s), the releases would be relatively bug-free. A relatively bug-free version would make working with RockPatch a lot easier and more planning-secure for the modders, inevitably increasing RockPatch's popularity in the long run.

5.Update ModEnc correctly and quickly - He is bad at english so probably not the best idea to have him do this. Plus he made it and gives some help with release it shouldnt be his resposablity to do everylittle thing. It is editable by everyone?

Yes it is. But try touching one of his pages. Would you like us to call the ambulance in advance?

(Not to mention we can't update ModEnc, because we get such wonderful information like "New Actions support", "something else" and "Another... (not very important)".

...is it PsychicDominator or NewDominator?

6. Involve the coders of big RP-using mods, like AG, Speeder and Nighthawk in your planning. Actively ask them what they need. These are the people promoting RockPatch. If they don't like it, there's no need to continue coding. - This is what its really about I guess by looking at the current events as some people are not getting exactly what they want so trash it.

No. They didn't get "exactly what they want" under pd either. But the point is, these are the people using and promoting RockPatch. So being nice to them is basic marketing. You can counter-argue all you want, if you have three big mods using RockPatch, and fifty small ones no one has ever heard off, you're practically dead if the big ones leave you. Simply because there is no user-exposure anymore. So VK could at least warn mods like Mental Omega or Third War about flag renames beforehand, and check if there's something easy to implement that'd help them a lot.
It's what I said before - if nobody uses the patch, VK is wasting is time. And fifty small mods nobody will ever hear of again is "nobody". (And no, that's not elitism or anything, that's 6+ years of community experience. It's fucking realism.)

7.Look at the votelist. - at the time this was brought up several things from the vote list had been done or worked on. Not a valid complaint. Espeacialy after I just looked at it where FullPalette= is in first. FourthSide, Cloned SuperWeapons, and New Prerequisite tags are all towards the top to further negate this complaint. Its More about advice #6 above than this.

"Negate"? Have you any idea how long this shit is in there, and still not implemented? Yes, he accidently crossed path with wished wishes 'cause he coincidently wanted the same. But you know what? "More Armor types" is in the votelist since February 12, 2005. That's over two years by now. Now, I know VK wasn't the coder for all that time, but he didn't particularly care either.
"Third Weapon for units/buildings" - added on the same day. ETS has it. Does RockPatch?
You know when the first wish for new prerequisites was put on the votelist? February 14, 2005.
And the list goes on...

Yes, I do realize that they got ignored under pd just as much - but that doesn't mean it's good or right. VK has the skillz to implement such features. In the case of third weapon, he already proved it. But he still opts to ignore any user-input and just code all on his own. If we like it, good for us, if we don't, fuck us.
That is exactly his attitude, proven by his posts on PPM. So don't even try talking that away. But you might just understand how we're not exactly happy about that attitude.

8.Look at the wishlist - Just about everything hes done is in the wishlist. Maybe 2-3 things are not if that. If need be afterwork Ill pull them for quotes if youd like to see but I think it has to do more with advice#6 than this.

That's because everything is on the wishlist. It's not about accidently doing something that's on the wishlist because everything is there, it's about actively selecting, and actively telling people what he won't do. And if he does something from the wishlist, a simple note about it would be great. Just so people know they're heard.

9.Update the goddamn bugtracker quickly, actively and precisely- Looking at the bug house he does need to be more precise.

Glad we agree on one thing. Although you just see half of the picture there.

10.Listen. To. Us. It's like I said last post - He does he changed TUT back he put the number system on AI targeting back. We are on a feature freeze, and the last revision addressed the bugs that where brought to his attention the most even if one really wasnt a bug (TUT=) but hey its fixxed.

We are not on feature freeze. Would he listen to us and finally do a pre-release beta test, these bugs wouldn't even have made it into the release. Would he listen to us and quit renaming shit just for fun, TUT wouldn't have had to be fixed in the first place. And yes, he may have fixed a few bugs that we pointed out last week...but how about one that really bugs people? Yes, I know, he set to "resolved" now (after 5 months), but check the resolution - "won't fix". He actively decided he's not going to fix it. While that is clearly the most complained-about bug of all. Great job listening to us.

So what exactly is it you guys want? Other than your way or no way as it seems your stance is.

Just what I said in my 10-point-plan. A little less mad scientist, a little more interaction. Nothing more.