Rock Patch 1.10 development thread

[blackheartstar]

How am I doing almost exactly the same as he is doing? When have I ever said anything to the effect of "resume coding, or else..." in this discussion? All I'm doing is actively not complying with his orders, while he is trying to order me around. That looks like two totally different things to me.

When you frist posted the unoffical version VK changed it to be the offical page. Instead of letting it be (since it was offical) or splitting it there you deleted it re ordering it into the unoffical vision you wanted. Now after he made his own seperate offical page you let it be.

That implies that I am trying to force you on my side - did I threaten you with anything? Did I not try to reason instead, over three pages now, while all VK does is screaming "BULLSHIT" and make demands?

No your making your side sound just, good, and right. Any view thats not yours is a bad thing. Its a more subtle form of manipulation. Your not blackmailing or threatening/strong arming you are manipulating through your wording. Kinda like a politican running for office who disputes his runningmate postion with politely worded slander.

Are you saying all the people telling me to delete the page are not doing so because VK threatens to end RP?
You yourself said they were actually agreeing with me, yet, every few posts, there is one telling me to take it down.
If that is not their actual opinion, is the fact that VK wants them to say that not the only explanation why they would speak against their own opinion?

I have yet to see someone 100% agree with your number scheme, but they agree VKs could be better. I had my view on the talk page of you version you and bobing disagreed with it then blade and marshal posted here with alternative views of how it should/could look in case you need examples of yours not being diffenitive. The counterdiction of opinion comes in on a form of value system. They disagree with VK but the object of disagreement is trivial and not worth all of this. Not that they have been bent to his will just that in the end they dont care.

No. Just plain no.
If you read the still-current version, or the original one, you will see that I included some jabs at his naming system (calling it "wacky" and "meaningless", among other things) - if you check out his page instead, you'll see that he attacked me, personally, and on a much lower standard ("stupid" vs. "wacky").

My personal opinion of his naming system is not slander. That's just plain false. And the fact that my page was up first has nothing to do with that. As I noted above, he showed numerous times he was able to edit the page - if it was just the word "wacky" troubling him, he could easily have removed it without killing the entire page.

(And all of that doesn't even take into account the amount of slander he put up in pd's releases' direction - even though pd never even said anything on this topic.)

Looking at that first paragraph

This page maps VK's meaningless and repetitive version-names to version numbers similar to those used by pd, allowing users to keep track of the up-to-dateness of their patch version the traditional way, rather than just guessing which version is which. This numbering scheme is not endorsed by VK, and, given his randomness in picking the version names, might experience dramatic shifts after a new version was released (e.g. if he adopts traditional numbers again - he seems to be planning to release a "1.10").

Traditional lower case character suffices to denote revisions were forewent in favor of a second minor number, simply because VK releases too many revisions for such a scheme. (1.10 would be up to 1.10k using that.)

You dont see any of this as being abit offenceive to VK? If this was written about yourself instead of VK would you not take it badly? Once again its all in the wording where you didnt say anything horrible the general gest of it does down play VK. Where VK had no right to say any of his countless instances of slander you through the first stone in that bout. Just becouse its on a higher level dosent discount the fact it was said. Heck he is so cought up the the version scheme that he probably never even pickedup on any of it. I myself do not understand VKs constant downplay of PD. He says he means no offence when confronted about it sometimes before he even writes it ,but it always comes out that way. It could be language problem but who knows. I would discuss this with him just as we have been here but he doesnt allow for that.

...dude. VK threatened the entire community over a stupid opinion piece and vandalized one of my sites 6 times. He also threatened multiple times to do stuff himself if I didn't bow to his demands. How could I ever look bad if I banned him? In fact, I honestly believe that, after actions of this magnitude, repeated this many times, and causing so much trouble, he'd already be banned globally on any other network.
You are right, I don't want to come off as the bad guy. But not because I fear to look bad when I protect my server from a vandal, but because I'd rather not come off as the guy who killed RockPatch, for which VK is so cleverly trying to frame me.
I dont see

I dont see how anyone can actualy feel threatened by this. If he stops well guess what hes not taking RPCE with him. Do you count it as vandalization every time somebody edits there? It is a publicly editable wiki after all. It was the versions page of the patch hes working on. You put up a unoffical he changed it to offical. You where both doing the same thing only you own it and can choose what goes and what dosent in the end. As you have proved once again buy merging them together. Buy this Im not implying you should take it down or change it or that your wrong Im just giving a pov. VK was wrong to continue editing after the ban but to him your a random guy spreding what he sees as fauls info about his work.

Again, I ask you: Where do I work with such methods? Where in this discussion have I threatened bans to people with dissenting opinions, or killing RockPatch if nobody agrees with me?
I have banned VK from ModEnc, yes. Because he vandalized multiple pages several times, and kept returning after he was banned. That is no unique behavior to me, and would have been handled anywhere else in just the same way. In fact, many communities would probably have banned his forum account as well, just to be sure.
So, where am I working on the same level as VK??

I said your own brand of propaganda not that you were working on the same level as VK, but now that you mention it his whole king ren prop campaign is very similar to your own god vk prop campaign. As I said the refferences to terrorism make it sound like to people running for mayor. VK with less tact and threats / you with the silver tongue.

Yes. And the interesting question following that observation is: Does the fact the he childishly got upset over a nuisance to this degree give him the right to react the way he does?
Am I automatically the bad one, just because he is the one who got upset?

No not at all, and I'll say I belive you get more flak out of this just becouse your open to disscus things where VK is not. People may very well have some words for VK but he doesnt present himself enough or in a way to properly convay them.

How is it "stubborn" to not allow him to force me into doing things to my server?
If some random person came into your house and demanded you burn your furniture, would you consider yourself "stubborn" for refusing to do that?

The crime you depict is much worse than some coder changing a list of his releases to be his offical release sequence on a publicly editable wiki page. When somebody he is probably looking at as a random guy keeps changeing it back. He was techincly doing the exact thing you where converting it back. Its easy to forget that this is actual ownd by you thus the content can be decided by you.

I think more people would disscus complaints with VK in this same manner we are currently disscusing things with you if VK would actualy reply and explain himself. As I said thats why you get more of the flak than he does becouse you actual talk back which I find to be very cool

If he stops he stops I'll take RPCE and run with it as plenty has been added already.

Alot of this was written last night.