09.06.2007, 10:16:45
Apollo Wrote:but there be need for more than RS...not all my projects are known.
Indeed.
Well I will have to zip it then. I like the way this topic turned out.
Apollo Wrote:but there be need for more than RS...not all my projects are known.
Quote:32 sides (not countries, sides)false
Quote:this also?100 UnitType bug -> to 200 UnitType limit (this is AI limit however)
Sometimes VK add future without I even know it like SuperAnim tag
Quote:Under what distribution license was distributed RockPach all this time?I don't know.
Quote:But I still have RP 1.10 0036Â Â So I'm happymust delete it now.
Quote:Now, for those interested on a new engine, check this out:however this 3D engine project.
Quote:RP releases never had any type of text explaining what "Terms of use" and "distribution" limitations...
...BUT in the past RP still was possible re-distribute RockPatch with mods (I remember VK words about incompatibility between RP versions & his solution about zip the specific RP version with the mod)... so last released version of RockPatch can be able to be re-distributed with mods exactly like older versions because developers (in this case only VK) don't changed they opinion about "re-distributions" of RP BEFORE the last release... that VK will not distribute the last revision RP 1.10 into the RP website don't say that we can't continue zipping the required version of RP with our mod due to the latest "Terms of use & distribution"... except if he releases a new version (this new version can to have no new changes/fixes, directly a copy of the last version but renamed to have a bigger version number) that explicitly changes the "Terms of use & distribution"... then if someone want use the last last last version must use RP due to the new "Terms of use & distribution"
Quote:More than that, the RP is a derivative work of YR so technically the copyright still belongs to EA.not right.
Quote:...currently in the last revision #0036 only "EMPulse SW" had to fix 2 reported bugs about the rangered weapons: when you clicks in the minimap & AI ignores weapon range... but no developers are availableand no EMPulse SW available.
Quote:VK from what I understand, you said that RP CE will also be not available (along with 1.10)? or be available only for Mental Omega? My mod has been completed but requires RPCE (personally I don't care about 1.10 as I have no more intentions to add more features).I will think about it, and probably re-release RP 1.10 as SP 1 or as EYR 1 or as EYR 2.0.
Quote:Shame that it had to come to a stop like this, but it's VK's decision and I respect it.there nothing be not written about fate of the code in Rock Patch.
I would not talk about "the end" though.
Quote:@VK:at first we should set a plan.
My engine can load and display csf, ini, pal, shp (with shadows and remap), tmp and yrm files at its current state. It is based on SDL and OpenGL.
If you like, I can send my current source to you, maybe it can speed up things significantly.
I suppose you want to work with DirectX. Porting my OpenGL engine to DirectX shoudln't be too hard, as I use OpenGL for drawing and positioning only (code parts that can easily be adapted).
Quote:I suppose you want to work with DirectXmy idea: to use universal code.
pBACKBUFFER.Blt(pSIDEBAR, ScreenWidth - pSIDEBAR.Width(), ScreenHeight, 0, false);
CnCVK Wrote:No thanks I'm quite happy having it on my Hard Drive thank you very much And if you try and hack into my computer to delete it, tough luck I have it on my USB drive and on my computer at school And hacking into my computer would be worse than me simply having a file on my Hard DriveTX1138 Wrote:But I still have RP 1.10 0036Â Â So I'm happymust delete it now.
why? the copyright law.
CnCVK Wrote:However, you can use it only after permit from all coders.
CnCVK Wrote:Yesssssss but... all people had permission to download & redistribute RockPatch until your last release... as I said you want change the rules? release a new version without nothing new and declare it not downloadable for nobody (but remember that any type of rules must respect the laws, some EULAs can be ilegal because they break the laws)Quote:Under what distribution license was distributed RockPach all this time?I don't know.
However, you can use it only after permit from all coders.
CnCVK Wrote:Same answer of before, people had the right to copy RockPatch ("right" to "copy"... ohh "copyright") until that version, zipping the installer with the desired mod...Quote:But I still have RP 1.10 0036 So I'm happymust delete it now.
why? the copyright law.
CnCVK Wrote:Copyright are words howerver, laws are words however...Quote:RP releases never had any type of text explaining what "Terms of use" and "distribution" limitations...
...BUT in the past RP still was possible re-distribute RockPatch with mods (I remember VK words about incompatibility between RP versions & his solution about zip the specific RP version with the mod)... so last released version of RockPatch can be able to be re-distributed with mods exactly like older versions because developers (in this case only VK) don't changed they opinion about "re-distributions" of RP BEFORE the last release... that VK will not distribute the last revision RP 1.10 into the RP website don't say that we can't continue zipping the required version of RP with our mod due to the latest "Terms of use & distribution"... except if he releases a new version (this new version can to have no new changes/fixes, directly a copy of the last version but renamed to have a bigger version number) that explicitly changes the "Terms of use & distribution"... then if someone want use the last last last version must use RP due to the new "Terms of use & distribution"
This is only a words however.
CnCVK Wrote:Sorry but this is 100% right, RockPatch is a derivated work of an existing copyrighted work (in this case Yuri's Revenge, the same for your Extended Tiberian Sun)Quote:More than that, the RP is a derivative work of YR so technically the copyright still belongs to EA.not right.
CnCVK Wrote:What is Rock Patch?PD had authorization from EA (the owners of the EULA) to continue patching Yuri's Revenge with his project RockPatch.
It just installer/patcher program.
Yes, it was created by PD,JONWILL,VK.
You can patch any file: TXT, SNO, EXE, DOC.
But if you patch GAMEMD.EXE YOU breaks EULA, but not coders.
Installer/patcher is only a tool.
The same as a knife.
While you don't kill anybody, police won't take you in the prison.
Rock Patch is the same as a knife however.
CnCVK Wrote:Forget download about 1.10 in the official site but as I said in the first thing you can't revoke a license of distribution after release it and bla bla bla...Quote:...currently in the last revision #0036 only "EMPulse SW" had to fix 2 reported bugs about the rangered weapons: when you clicks in the minimap & AI ignores weapon range... but no developers are availableand no EMPulse SW available.
Forgot about RP 1.10.
CnCVK Wrote:I will think about it, and probably re-release RP 1.10 as SP 1 or as EYR 1 or as EYR 2.0.As I said you can re-release a program with your new terms of use and distribution but older versions can't be modified thos terms
This project will have a hard rules, create by me & communty .
FS-21 Wrote:Again, as much as I'd like to help, that is not "100% right". The copyright of code belongs (unless you're in the US and get fucked in the ass) to the person who coded it. So EA holds a copyright on the majority of the exe, pd small parts, and VK a large portion of the patch.CnCVK Wrote:Sorry but this is 100% right, RockPatch is a derivated work of an existing copyrighted work (in this case Yuri's Revenge, the same for your Extended Tiberian Sun)Quote:More than that, the RP is a derivative work of YR so technically the copyright still belongs to EA.not right.
Renegade Wrote:...And without any express statement from VK that redistribution is/was allowed (somebody would have to check the archives), the distribution model is more like him giving out usage licenses.
Really, somebody should check older posts to see what else he said about distribution.
VK Wrote:Quote:But I still have RP 1.10 0036 So I'm happymust delete it now.
why? the copyright law.
Renegade Wrote:The patch is technically illegal because it is a derivative work (violates the EULA)then i break no laws re-distributing it, the only law to stop me would be to report me for distributing wares(or a EULA Violation), in which case you could be fined aswell because you coded it. hahahahahaha!
Bobingabout Wrote:if you did not register this copyright with the UK copyright office, which you couldn't do because of thishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_l...ed_KingdomRenegade Wrote:The patch is technically illegal because it is a derivative work (violates the EULA)then i break no laws re-distributing it. hahahahahaha!
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Wikipedia Wrote:British law states that an individual's work is placed under copyright law as soon as it leaves that person's mind and is placed in some physical form, be it a painting, a musical work written in manuscript or an architectural schematic. Once in physical form, as long as it is an original work (in the sense of not having been copied from an existing work, rather than in the sense of being novel or unique), copyright in that work is automatically vested in (i.e. owned by) the person who put the concept into material form.
Renegade Wrote:You're missing the point. You are in violation of copyright law because you illegally distribute his code (if there is no notice in the archives stating that you are allowed to do that). EA knows about RockPatch, and, as far as I know, doesn't care for it.good luck enforcing it.